The problem then becomes the linking to other servers… But the same kind of problem arises when you try to slap TLS on top of gopher…

@marsxyz if there is, I’m not aware of it, and most clients probably don’t support it.

@marsxyz @Kooda Not yet. I have a test server running under TLS (though no clients directly support this, as far as I have been able to tell), and as @ckeen notes, routing via tor is an option.

@crc @marsxyz @ckeen I think we need a way to make this discoverable. So that clients that support encryption can connect to the secure variant even if the link to the server was a regular one. And something similar to HSTS.

@Kooda @crc @marsxyz The point of hidden services is that it is *not* discoverable though.

There's no need to offer an insecure variant at all?

@ckeen @crc @marsxyz Sure, but you lose the point of gopher, which was inter-instance linking… You could just use FTP if you don’t need that.

@Kooda @crc @marsxyz Why do you loose that?

@ckeen @crc @marsxyz Because most of the gopher-space is not on Tor? :Þ

@Kooda @crc @marsxyz
Nothing prevents you to link to non tor selectors and vice versa...

@Kooda @crc @marsxyz

That's the same argument not to use https because you might link to other websites using https...

@ckeen @marsxyz @Kooda I need to spend some time looking into tor next year. #2018projects